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For all who watch the television show "The Sopranos," below is a link to an article about how its main character Tony Soprano single-handedly influenced book sales of Sun Tzu's Art of War. Interesting.
http://www.azcentral.com/rep/books/...11artofwar.html

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It is a funny article, but probably funnier is who will be buying the book after watching The Sopranos?

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From the article, looks like a lot of people in New Jersey!

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It is a funny article, but probably funnier is who will be buying the book after watching The Sopranos?

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To show just how far behind the curve I am, even though I have HBO, I had never seen the Sopranos until a client, who knows that I am into Sun Tzu, asked me if I had seen the episode where Tony Soprano mentions the Art of War. So I ended up migrating in the opposite direction. I need to pay better attention to the TV Guide.

It was then that I began to watch the Sopranos. And I gotta say, I really enjoy that show.

The Sopranos, like most crime families, conduct their business and act and react, in harmony with Sun Tzu's teachings. It is fascinating.

It just goes to show how advanced Sun Tzu really was. Not just in matters relating to all things martial. But also in his deep knowledge of human nature in general, and human beings in particular.

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I was watching a rerun of "The Sopranos" recently, the episode near the beginning of the second season where Tony's psychiatrist Dr. Melfi turns him on to Sun Tzu ("If your goal is to be a better gang leader, you should read the Art of War by Sun Tzu.") I made what I feel is an interesting insight. Tony may have taken her advice as some knowledge that would make him a more capable strategist and leader, but she may have suggested Sun Tzu to him for the book's inherent "therapeutic" value. As a psychiatrist, Dr. Melfi very likely understands that the definition of mental health is the ability to effectively deal with reality on its own terms. Much of Sun Tzu's aphoristic wisdom seems to draw a picture of this psychiatric definition of mental health. I don't know if this was the intention of the writers and producers of the show or maybe how the actress Lorraine Bracco has interpreted her character, but I just felt it was an interesting observation.

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If any of you got a copy of McNeilly's paperback book- "Sun Tzu and The Art of Modern Warfare ".

Look at the back cover. There is one of my favorite quotes from "The Sopranos".

"At first I thought it was just common sense, but if you pay attention to what he saying, here is a guy, a Chinese general, wrote this thing 2,400 years ago, most of it still applies today."
- Tony Soprano, from The Sopranos

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Another reference to Sun Tzu on a recent episode of The Sopranos.

Apparently Tony has been recommending the book to the other guys in his crew. Paulie Walnuts is now dropping quotes from "the Chinese Machiavelli."

Now if only he could pronounce Sun Tzu's correctly!!

"Sun Tuh-zoo"

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Another reference to Sun Tzu on a recent episode of The Sopranos.

Apparently Tony has been recommending the book to the other guys in his crew. Paulie Walnuts is now dropping quotes from "the Chinese Machiavelli."

Now if only he could pronounce Sun Tzu's correctly!!

"Sun Tuh-zoo"



Are any of ya ever thought about "Machievelli is the Italian version of Sun Tzu." ...

I have not seen the new season of the Sopranos. I wonder Paulie Walnuts dropping Sun Tzu's quotes in conversations is like professional sport jocks reciting quotes from "CAT in THE HAT". ... I wonder ... I wonder ...I wonder ...

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For the record, the exact passage from The Sopranos, season 3, episode 8 ("He is risen", 15 April 2001), is:

"[I've] been reading that book you told me about : The art of war, by Sun Tzu. I mean, here's this guy, a Chinese general, wrote this thing twenty-four hundred years ago, and most of it still applies today: 'Balk the enemy’s power.' 'Force him to reveal himself.' . . .

"You know, most of the guys I know, they read Prince Matchabelli [sic]—and I had Carmela go and get the Cliff[s] Notes once, and he's okay—; but this book is much better about strategy."

Thus spake the Tony.



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Are any of ya ever thought about "Machievelli is the Italian version of Sun Tzu."


Excellent point, HALBLEU.

And thank you for the complete quote, Jay Dillon. You have a fine collection of books on your site.

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I have not seen the new season of the Sopranos. I wonder Paulie Walnuts dropping Sun Tzu's quotes in conversations is like professional sport jocks reciting quotes from "CAT in THE HAT". ... I wonder ... I wonder ...I wonder ... [/B][/QUOTE]

According to last Sunday's episode, Paulie Walnuts has the audiobook of Sun Tzu's Art of War as read by the film actor Ron Silver. He is listening to it in his car shortly before he cracks the heads of a few neighborhood gardners.

Glad to see that he is internalizing the wisdom of Master Sun so diligently!!

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According to last Sunday's episode, Paulie Walnuts has the audiobook of Sun Tzu's Art of War as read by the film actor Ron Silver. He is listening to it in his car shortly before he cracks the heads of a few neighborhood gardners.

Glad to see that he is internalizing the wisdom of Master Sun so diligently!!



fyi- Ron Silver version is based on Lionel Giles writing, designed f. Paulie's IQ.

F/ content, this Cardinal suggest this ver. from Ralph Sawyer.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

- or the Denma group version -
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

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Philosophy Hitches a Ride With 'The Sopranos'

April 13, 2004
By DAVID BERNSTEIN


As if Tony Soprano did not have enough troubles: a looming F.B.I. investigation into his organized crime activities; a separation from his wife, Carmela; an infatuation with his therapist, Dr. Melfi, who rejects him; not to mention a brewing fallout with Johnny Sacramoni, an underboss in
the New York family.

Now a bunch of philosophers have HBO's beleaguered mob boss in their sights. These academic wiseguys are contributors
to a new collection of essays called "The Sopranos and
Philosophy: I Kill Therefore I Am" (Open Court Publishing, $17.95), which came out last month.

The 219-page paperback, edited by Richard Greene and Peter Vernezze, is the seventh in Open Court Publishing's "Popular Culture and Philosophy" series. Previous books explored pop culture franchises including "Seinfeld," "The Simpsons," "The Matrix," "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Lord of the Rings."


William Irwin, an associate professor of philosophy at
King's College in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., is the series editor.
Mr. Irwin, 33, calls the volumes "philosophy with training wheels." The goal, he says, is to make philosophy more accessible to nonacademics.

"Most people are turned off by philosophy not because they don't like the ideas but because of the difficult, abstract, abstruse prose that it's so often written in," he said. "Nothing gets across a philosophical point better than a well-chosen example."

The collections are not substitutes for the classics, Mr.
Irwin said. "Just as science without math involved is not a replacement for science in its most rigorous form, neither are these books meant in any way as a replacement for philosophy."

The new "Sopranos" volume has 17 essays that examine the television show and elucidate concepts from classical philosophers, including Aristotle, Machiavelli, Nietzsche, Sun Tzu and Plato.

"The books aren't necessarily for everyone," Mr. Irwin admitted. "Not everyone is given to discussion that goes beyond the water cooler kinds of comments."

Nor is all pop culture fit for philosophical examination,
he said. For example, Mr. Irwin said he rejected book
proposals on the long-running television shows "Friends"
and "E.R." because they lacked the basic depth and literacy
for a thorough philosophical discourse.

The book series has become an unexpected success for this
small publishing company, which is based in Chicago and was founded in 1887 by the philosopher and editor Paul Carus. "The Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'oh! of Homer" (2001) has sold more than 203,000 copies, more than all the
other collections combined. But "The Matrix and Philosophy: Welcome to the Desert of the Real" (2002), with more than 67,000 copies sold, is the only
one in the series to reach the New York Times best-seller list. The book benefited from a sharp spike in sales after the release of "The Matrix Reloaded," the second film in the blockbuster science-fiction trilogy.

"Any of the books in this series sell more copies per month than most of our other books sell in a lifetime," said David Steele, the editorial director at Open Court. "For more traditional philosophy monographs, you hope that in
their entire lifetime they will sell 5,000 copies."

But Mr. Irwin said the books had also drawn the ire (and
ridicule) of some people in his profession and of other traditional educators.

Writing for The Village Voice, Norah Vincent, a freelance columnist, described the "Seinfeld" book as "a collection of essays by mostly third-rate philosophers from mostly substandard institutions - a fact that should come as no surprise."

"Low culture," she continued, "is infiltrating the scholarly world, a curriculum of aptly `higher' learning in which shallow
amusements have no place."

Alexander Nehamas, president of the eastern division of the American Philosophical Association, said the tensions between philosophy and pop culture dated to ancient times.

"Greek tragedy is now considered high art," Mr. Nehamas
said, "but intellectuals at the time were seeing popular culture and entertainment. It was very distasteful. Now think 2,500 years from now somebody could be talking about Jerry Bruckheimer or Aaron Spelling. To us
that sounds quite strange."

Joss Whedon, creator of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and its spinoff series "Angel," said the academic attention given to his show is "a little surprising," but he said pop culture should be taken seriously, not trivialized.

"Popular culture is a thing on its own that needs to be examined very carefully, very philosophically," Mr. Whedon said by telephone from Los Angeles. "If someone has a Nietzschian bias or a Freudian bias or any kind
of bias that they want to put Buffy into as a mold, it's legitimate."

At the same time Mr. Whedon, who said he had not read any
of the Open Court series, cautioned against getting too
carried away with pop culture scholarship.

The trend among universities to offer courses in pop
culture and media studies has certainly helped sales for
Open Court's series. A few of the titles are now required reading for some classes, and others are big sellers at college bookstores.

Open Court's next book, "Woody Allen and Philosophy," is scheduled for release in August, "Harry Potter and Philosophy" is due in October, and a title on superheroes and philosophy is planned for next year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/b...04c89fd27db74e4



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